I am sorry to hear yet another person died. But I am devastated by all the children that die in school shootings and are traumatized for life. Charlie brought this upon himself by spewing hate in the name of false Christianity. Please quit pushing religious beliefs on this country. This is a free country for the time being and let people believe or not what they want. Republicans spew hate constantly hiding behind Jesus
I think Charlie Kirk's assassination is awful and should've never happened. At the same time im not surprised it happened. He downplayed gun violence and then became a victim of gun violence. It's like choosing not to wear your seat belt and then being surprised you've been ejected from your car during a car crash. We've had ample opportunities to try and prevent something like this from happening.
We stand on the brink of a disaster that can bring the country down in a carnage unprecedented in our history. We can passively witness this or actively prevent it from happening. Contact your
'Unprecedented carnage'? Your country fought a bloody civil war over hate and bigotry. People of colour have been murdered, enslaved, and/or discriminated against for all your country's history. First nations people were subjected to genocide. There is nothing unprecedented about what could follow Kirk's murder. It is simply the latest chapter in the story of a nation that since its founding following a European invasion has lived and breathed ignorance, fear, and bogotry. America cannot even bring itself to stop the self inflicted harm of a ridiculous and outdated belief about gun ownership. There are countless precedents for what is happening and will continue to happen in the USA.
I agree that "assassination" is a bit grand and that was my immediate reaction to the media reports using that particular noun. However, according to CURRENT dictionary definitions, the term is being used correctly. It will never feel right for me in this particular instance. To me, this tragic murder just isn't on a par with the assassination of JFK or of Martin Luther King, Jr. It seems, to me, to be a deliberate attempt to "elevate" this murder in an effort to stir up further violence, to "justify" further violence against their primary targets. But then I am not American, so I see the world differently ...
Any response to this appalling situation must be complex, and nuance is an early casualty in a culture war: well done you for trying to offer a balanced comment. Mine may seem less so, but I speak from a different kind of anger and another part of the world: I'm a UK pastor and this needs saying. American evangelicalism has parted company with what the Church elsewhere recognises as Christianity. It's mutated into almost the opposite, a demonic travesty of the real thing. God is love. Blessed are the peacemakers. Love your enemies. Do not bear false witness - especially when that is as consequential as lying about climate change, which Kirk did repeatedly. You guys need to find ways of getting that through to Kirk's supporters even, it seems, his grieving widow. She spoke about "spiritual warfare" almost as though it's what she wants: the rest of us Jesus people want peace, but if war she must have let this also be said: Kirk was categorically NOT on the side of the angel.s
I appreciate what you share but I have fear that leaders who can make a difference will remain silent or continue saying rhetoric to make this division wider causing more harm. The worst has come to America! How sad.
What has not been said is that this was an internecine (right on right) killing. This is such an important fact that it's extraordinary it has not been made public. Instead, Trump and others immediately blamed the left. That is normally sufficient to end a career, but the criminal in the White House seems to be untouchable.
If this is ANYone's fault, we can just LOOK at what Laura Loomer posted right before he got shot. SHE accused him of turning on Trump when he said the Epstein files should be opened! THEN, as soon a he was shot, she took down the posts she made about it and posted something BLAMING DEMs!!!! That LYING freako is ALWAYS staring trouble! Let his death sit ON HER HEAD. I'm so sick of the LIES. The LIES are what's killing this country.... I've been saying it for over 10 years!
100% ! ! Violence, be it rhetorical or action begets violence. Jefferson said,"Without the occasional revolution a democracy dies." IPSO FACTO ! And ours is long overdue. Not by any means a call to arms but, a call, not only for our nation but, in fact humanity. A revolution for a step in our specie's evolution. A step away from the nauseating military parades and shows of murderous hardware and might. Simultaneous with children starving, loosing parents, grandparents, siblings, homes, education and communtities. Steps furthering humanity from humanity. Pandering to the lesser, more horrid aspects of that humanity. The likes of vlad and bb the baby killers. The levelers of civilizations. We, as a species have not evolved any further than primates whacking each other over the head with sticks. The "higher, most developed species"? Me thinks not at all...
Why do you say a revolution is long overdue? The last revolution in Britain was 1688, although that was more a palace coup than a revolution. The last bloody revolution was 1648. The secret? Tolerance and flexibility.
I said,”Not a call to arms.”. A revolution need not, and should prefer not to be violent. But a call for the unification OF THE PEOPLE against what we now suffer as shown in this subject matter.☮️
The bigger picture is that a gun culture of violence is immoral and inhumane. Your culture of VIOLENCE=THE UNIVERSAL SOLUTION is what needs to be addressed here, NOT "just" that of "POLITICAL VIOLENCE". Don't lose sight of the bigger picture. PLEASE.
That's true. We've tried for decades for more restrictions on who can or cannot own a gun, and BRIBE $$$$$$$ and the way that the NRA ALWAYS LIED, would always get in the way for COMMON SENSE gun laws. >:''(
No, it started way before Charlie Kirk was shot and killed. It started with all the other mass shooting that for some reason we are still unable to pass some reasonable gun laws. We hide behind the 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms. I get it but enough is enough!
'This kind' of rhetoric did not begin long before CK. 'This kind' of double talk and "LIES" and Hating came with Trump, and he has 'encouraged' that with his coded dog whistles.
Nazi's are dangerous to the lives and property of other people. If we had a real government with people committed to the US Constitution and the rule of law, this would have been settled long ago. Unfortunately those on the side of the constitution and the rule of law within the government are in the minority. The rest of us who want a democracy have to take to the streets to be heard above the noise generated by the cash registers at Republican donor events. Christian Nationalist Nazi class are the ones who use firearms to prove their manhood. I do know who the enemies of my country are.
My initial thoughts on the Charlie Kirk situation and something still doesn’t smell right…
On cue, the Trump/MAGA/Musk/FoxNews/GOP social media machine response to Charlie Kirk’s death is coordinated and designed to insight more violence and a distraction from the Epstein files.
Trump’s FBI has dragged their feet on finding the shooter, misidentified 3 different people as the shooter, falsely reported each one of them to the media without actual proof that they even had the correct shooter, purposely did a poor job of retracting their statements to the public at large…which is helping to gin up Trump‘s base.
To date Kirk’s shooter still has not been identified/found, no response from the FBI on the shootings of the school children, meaningful action on the recent murders of Melissa Hortman and her husband…AND no one has been fired at the FBI. This is not normal.
I wonder if Charlie Kirk is really dead because no one from his family or even his closest friends have come forward to say anything. Trump was quick to lower the flag to half staff (inappropriate), and spew inflammatory statements from the Oval Office. Additionally, Trump has failed to reach out to Kirk’s wife or extended family. This is not normal.
I’m gonna have to go full conspiracy on this one…
Kirks death is starting to feel like a JFK grassy knoll moment and directly aligns with the supposed attempt on Trump‘s life (the actual deaths on that day was planned collateral damage for optics).
Either Kirk is NOT dead and needed an exit ramp to get away from MAGA to keep his family safe because it was becoming difficult for him to remain loyal to Trump…after Trump refused to release the Epstein files…or if Kirk is dead, he was double-crossed, and murdered because (allegedly) a certain orange authoritarian felt threatened and wants to remain in power.
It may be time to look into Charlie Kirk’s finances to see if he was getting his affairs in order early.
I am sorry to hear yet another person died. But I am devastated by all the children that die in school shootings and are traumatized for life. Charlie brought this upon himself by spewing hate in the name of false Christianity. Please quit pushing religious beliefs on this country. This is a free country for the time being and let people believe or not what they want. Republicans spew hate constantly hiding behind Jesus
And Jesus WEEPS. </3
Yes Jesus does weep. He preached kindness tolerance and that we were all created in his image. I am afraid living in this world
It's time to ignore it now and move on. DO NOT BE DISTRACTED! RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES
Ditto!
I think Charlie Kirk's assassination is awful and should've never happened. At the same time im not surprised it happened. He downplayed gun violence and then became a victim of gun violence. It's like choosing not to wear your seat belt and then being surprised you've been ejected from your car during a car crash. We've had ample opportunities to try and prevent something like this from happening.
All the children murdered in broad daylight and this is a defining moment in America!?
Agree...not a defining moment.
We stand on the brink of a disaster that can bring the country down in a carnage unprecedented in our history. We can passively witness this or actively prevent it from happening. Contact your
officials and help prevent this disaster.
'Unprecedented carnage'? Your country fought a bloody civil war over hate and bigotry. People of colour have been murdered, enslaved, and/or discriminated against for all your country's history. First nations people were subjected to genocide. There is nothing unprecedented about what could follow Kirk's murder. It is simply the latest chapter in the story of a nation that since its founding following a European invasion has lived and breathed ignorance, fear, and bogotry. America cannot even bring itself to stop the self inflicted harm of a ridiculous and outdated belief about gun ownership. There are countless precedents for what is happening and will continue to happen in the USA.
"Assassination" is perhaps a bit grand. Some say "murder" is more appropriate. Your thoughts?
I agree that "assassination" is a bit grand and that was my immediate reaction to the media reports using that particular noun. However, according to CURRENT dictionary definitions, the term is being used correctly. It will never feel right for me in this particular instance. To me, this tragic murder just isn't on a par with the assassination of JFK or of Martin Luther King, Jr. It seems, to me, to be a deliberate attempt to "elevate" this murder in an effort to stir up further violence, to "justify" further violence against their primary targets. But then I am not American, so I see the world differently ...
Murder.
Any response to this appalling situation must be complex, and nuance is an early casualty in a culture war: well done you for trying to offer a balanced comment. Mine may seem less so, but I speak from a different kind of anger and another part of the world: I'm a UK pastor and this needs saying. American evangelicalism has parted company with what the Church elsewhere recognises as Christianity. It's mutated into almost the opposite, a demonic travesty of the real thing. God is love. Blessed are the peacemakers. Love your enemies. Do not bear false witness - especially when that is as consequential as lying about climate change, which Kirk did repeatedly. You guys need to find ways of getting that through to Kirk's supporters even, it seems, his grieving widow. She spoke about "spiritual warfare" almost as though it's what she wants: the rest of us Jesus people want peace, but if war she must have let this also be said: Kirk was categorically NOT on the side of the angel.s
Thank you. Spot on. 100%.
Thank you Pastor. You are spot on. Now if only a majority of American clergy had that courage to speak out.
I appreciate what you share but I have fear that leaders who can make a difference will remain silent or continue saying rhetoric to make this division wider causing more harm. The worst has come to America! How sad.
It will be Sad alright, when people begin fighting over FOOD.
What has not been said is that this was an internecine (right on right) killing. This is such an important fact that it's extraordinary it has not been made public. Instead, Trump and others immediately blamed the left. That is normally sufficient to end a career, but the criminal in the White House seems to be untouchable.
If this is ANYone's fault, we can just LOOK at what Laura Loomer posted right before he got shot. SHE accused him of turning on Trump when he said the Epstein files should be opened! THEN, as soon a he was shot, she took down the posts she made about it and posted something BLAMING DEMs!!!! That LYING freako is ALWAYS staring trouble! Let his death sit ON HER HEAD. I'm so sick of the LIES. The LIES are what's killing this country.... I've been saying it for over 10 years!
I’m afraid we are at the END of politics. Our politics have failed to contain the spread of the MAGA malignancy. What’s next?
100% ! ! Violence, be it rhetorical or action begets violence. Jefferson said,"Without the occasional revolution a democracy dies." IPSO FACTO ! And ours is long overdue. Not by any means a call to arms but, a call, not only for our nation but, in fact humanity. A revolution for a step in our specie's evolution. A step away from the nauseating military parades and shows of murderous hardware and might. Simultaneous with children starving, loosing parents, grandparents, siblings, homes, education and communtities. Steps furthering humanity from humanity. Pandering to the lesser, more horrid aspects of that humanity. The likes of vlad and bb the baby killers. The levelers of civilizations. We, as a species have not evolved any further than primates whacking each other over the head with sticks. The "higher, most developed species"? Me thinks not at all...
Why do you say a revolution is long overdue? The last revolution in Britain was 1688, although that was more a palace coup than a revolution. The last bloody revolution was 1648. The secret? Tolerance and flexibility.
I said,”Not a call to arms.”. A revolution need not, and should prefer not to be violent. But a call for the unification OF THE PEOPLE against what we now suffer as shown in this subject matter.☮️
The bigger picture is that a gun culture of violence is immoral and inhumane. Your culture of VIOLENCE=THE UNIVERSAL SOLUTION is what needs to be addressed here, NOT "just" that of "POLITICAL VIOLENCE". Don't lose sight of the bigger picture. PLEASE.
That's true. We've tried for decades for more restrictions on who can or cannot own a gun, and BRIBE $$$$$$$ and the way that the NRA ALWAYS LIED, would always get in the way for COMMON SENSE gun laws. >:''(
No, it started way before Charlie Kirk was shot and killed. It started with all the other mass shooting that for some reason we are still unable to pass some reasonable gun laws. We hide behind the 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms. I get it but enough is enough!
'This kind' of rhetoric did not begin long before CK. 'This kind' of double talk and "LIES" and Hating came with Trump, and he has 'encouraged' that with his coded dog whistles.
left: it was a groyper
center: it was a groyper
Groypers: it was a groyper
Tyler Robinson: I’m a groyper
MAGA Republicans: it was RADICAL LEFT TRANS ANTIFA!!!! 🤤🥴
Nazi's are dangerous to the lives and property of other people. If we had a real government with people committed to the US Constitution and the rule of law, this would have been settled long ago. Unfortunately those on the side of the constitution and the rule of law within the government are in the minority. The rest of us who want a democracy have to take to the streets to be heard above the noise generated by the cash registers at Republican donor events. Christian Nationalist Nazi class are the ones who use firearms to prove their manhood. I do know who the enemies of my country are.
My initial thoughts on the Charlie Kirk situation and something still doesn’t smell right…
On cue, the Trump/MAGA/Musk/FoxNews/GOP social media machine response to Charlie Kirk’s death is coordinated and designed to insight more violence and a distraction from the Epstein files.
Trump’s FBI has dragged their feet on finding the shooter, misidentified 3 different people as the shooter, falsely reported each one of them to the media without actual proof that they even had the correct shooter, purposely did a poor job of retracting their statements to the public at large…which is helping to gin up Trump‘s base.
To date Kirk’s shooter still has not been identified/found, no response from the FBI on the shootings of the school children, meaningful action on the recent murders of Melissa Hortman and her husband…AND no one has been fired at the FBI. This is not normal.
I wonder if Charlie Kirk is really dead because no one from his family or even his closest friends have come forward to say anything. Trump was quick to lower the flag to half staff (inappropriate), and spew inflammatory statements from the Oval Office. Additionally, Trump has failed to reach out to Kirk’s wife or extended family. This is not normal.
I’m gonna have to go full conspiracy on this one…
Kirks death is starting to feel like a JFK grassy knoll moment and directly aligns with the supposed attempt on Trump‘s life (the actual deaths on that day was planned collateral damage for optics).
Either Kirk is NOT dead and needed an exit ramp to get away from MAGA to keep his family safe because it was becoming difficult for him to remain loyal to Trump…after Trump refused to release the Epstein files…or if Kirk is dead, he was double-crossed, and murdered because (allegedly) a certain orange authoritarian felt threatened and wants to remain in power.
It may be time to look into Charlie Kirk’s finances to see if he was getting his affairs in order early.
Signed,
Follow the money