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Live w/ David Pakman & Mike Nellis

A recording from David Pakman's live video

In this Substack Live, David Pakman speaks with strategist Mike Nellis about Democratic strategy, messaging, and the lessons of the 2024 campaign. Nellis reflects on Harris’s early momentum, the shift toward safer, poll-driven choices, and how risk-averse media decisions, like skipping Joe Rogan’s podcast, may have cost critical reach. He notes that Democrats often fail to speak directly to skeptical or disaffected voters, particularly young men and working-class independents, while Republicans benefit from appearing unscripted and authentic, even when dishonest.

The conversation broadens into the Democratic Party’s deeper challenges: candidates lacking clarity about why they’re running, overreliance on polling, and a cautious communication style that feels scripted. Nellis argues that authenticity, moral clarity, and willingness to “let it rip” matter more than recycled talking points. Looking ahead to 2028, he advocates for a wide-open Democratic primary to sharpen candidates, develop new talent, and build stronger campaigns—whether the nominee is Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, or someone unexpected.

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