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Harper Thorpe's avatar

THEIR STORIES KEEP CHANGING

If someone lies repeatedly, does it matter to call-out one more lie? When did the wives of serial liars, Donald & Pete, decide narcissists just can’t be trusted? Can we buy any words they use to justify why they’re sending our sons to war?

Hound's avatar

It really doesn’t matter who’s telling his truth because they can’t keep their story straight. When whiskey Pete Hegseth says something he was either drunk when he heard it or drunk while he was saying it or drunk both times. Even Trump knows that whiskey Pete is a flunky.

Harper Thorpe's avatar

Excellent, albeit blunt, analysis!

Sharon Otstot's avatar

It was Israel that was the instigator of the war, and Donnie tagged along. He thought it would be like Venezuela. Now we can wait for another 9/11 since the FBI no longer exists. When you poke a bee hive, you get bees.

Sohel Bahjat's avatar

As any country that seeks its own interests, I cannot blame Israel for using America to achieve its own goals. I do blame American voters for being so foolish voting for someone who is well known for lying and craziness.

Sharon Otstot's avatar

It isn't the country's people who do this. It is both country's GOVERNMENTS. Plus Saudi Arabia. I don't blame Israel. I blame their government just like I blame ours. And the basis for a lot of this is MONEY. Money is the drug of choice. Please reply so we can come to a consensus, okay?

Carole's avatar

It’s the country’s people who apparently voted him in. Let’s get rid of the electoral college before 2028!!!

Sharon Otstot's avatar

sigh I quite agree. I've been hounding all the Youtube channels that I frequent about that issue along with universal health care and a path to citizenship. We need to get rid of the corporate legislature and get some work done.

Hound's avatar

Whether Trump did this for the wrong reasons and his ulterior motives like oil or money I think this might be a positive thing for the entire world. If you read about the Islamic revolution in Iran when they get rid of the Shaw of Iran, who Was a puppet for the United States and you learn the history of Iran it will see that at one time Iran was a democracy that was overthrown by a crew orchestrated by the UK and the United States as a way to steal their oil.

Sharon Otstot's avatar

I totally agree with you that we have meddled in the Middle East for the express purpose of OIL. Which means MONEY. Once upon a time I was in a monthly writers group. We had a new member come in who was a retired CIA agent. We got into several "warm-ish" conversations about our intruding into the area for those purposes -- he, supporting and I, disagreeing. It was an interesting relationship that jaded my impression of his fictional writing. But tell me, what is the positive thing for the entire world that you reference? More, please. Not trolling, just want conversation.

Hound's avatar

Probably the only country on earth that hates that the Iranian theocratic terrorist regime is overthrown is Russia. When the attack began runs instinct was to fire missiles at every country they can hit. They ended up pissing off the Arab world. Tehran has nobody that likes them. A big chunk of the top terrorists in Iran are dead. It’s a lot better killing off leaders of country and leading the people of that country into war to be killed.

Hound's avatar

Could you fill everyone in on how Israel instigated that?

Can you tell us how Israel turned Iran into an Islamic theocratic terrorist organization? How did those clever Jews figure that one out.

Can you tell us how real convinced the terrorist state of Iran to launch unprovoked attacks on Israel and its neighbors?

Can you explain why the other Arab countries in the region hate the Iranian regime of terror and how Israel tricked them into hating terrorism? Tell me all about those clever Jews.

I think maybe you should explain that the holocaust was fake. That’s the next step isn’t it?

Sharon Otstot's avatar

Oh my goodness! Where did all that come from? My friend, I am 87. I have lived through the aftermath of World War 2. I think being alive during the creation of the State of Israel gives me some authority. I don't hate Jews. I'm baffled when I meet and talk with them that the first thing they say is, "I'm Jewish" as if I cared whether a person was Jewish or from Mars. Israel didn't turn Iran into an Islamic theocratic state. How could you leap to that conclusion? Iran is 3000 years old. Israel isn't. More conversation? Please?

Hound's avatar

If a person says they’re Jewish that’s their prerogative and if they tell me that they are I will generally be more inclined to trust them than anybody else. The Jews do something called making atonement. Christians roll around on the floor Babble in tongues and they think they’re saved and can do no wrong after that. The Catholics do a little bit better because at least they go to confession and confess their sins and that might explain why the Jews and the Catholics are more law abiding than the fundamentalist holy rolling hypocrites in the Bible.

Iran was Persia. Iranians or Persians so are the people of Iraq But there was a schism in Islam which was tested to be a horrible horrible vile evil death cult. Muhammad was a terrorist, a liar a thief or murderer and a pedophile. He was way worse than Jesus And Moses. And the difference between Muhammad, Jesus and Moses is that Muhammad actually existed.

Islam ruined the Middle East. It looks like perhaps the Middle East is finally emerging from the dark ages brought down by Islam.

I was being facetious when I asked the question if Israel turned run into an Islamic state of terror. If you know history you would know that it one time run was a democracy. In 1953 The British and Americans orchestrated a coup So that they could steal and oil. The United States set up a puppet government in Tehran. They installed a real terroristic scumbag Known as the Shaw of Iran. That prompted the Iranian revolution which turned around into a terrorist Islamic theocracy.

The idea of a Jewish homeland was probably pretty stupid because most shoes today and know that their religion is bullshit. They just want to be left alone. Putting Israel where they put it surrounded by some of the biggest assholes in the world was a dumb idea. I think at one point they were considering Cyprus for the Jewish state.

The United States and other countries try to negotiate with terrorists and that’s always a bad idea. You don’t negotiate with terrorists or bullies. You kill terrorists and bullies for the good of the people that they terrorize.

There’s a good chance Trump is going to screw this up because he’s a screw up. It’s really easy to drop bombs on a country and kill their leaders but Trump has no clue what the endgame is going to be because he’s an idiot and because the people around him are dangerous idiots. I’m absolutely fine with exterminating punks bullies and terrorists and I think it is a duty of the human race to get rid of these subhumans.

Punishing the oppressors of humanity is actually clemency. Not exterminating them is barbarity. Hopefully something good will come of this and freedom and liberty will come to the Iranian people And perhaps they will be the ones that separate the United States from corporate criminal fascism and restore the rule of law here.

Sharon Otstot's avatar

Wow. I'm presuming that you're Jewish. As far as Protestant Christianity is concerned, I'd invite you to go to a United Methodist church service. They don't speak in tongues or roll around on the floor. I was raised in a little church called the Evangelical Church which united with the United Brethern Church which in the 1950s joined with the Methodists to become the United Methodists. Evangelicals! Wow! But no tongues and no rolling around. It was in this cradle that I learned tolerance. I may notice that you're Black or you're Jewish, but I don't care. I am watchful of your ideas and your behavior. Those are the things that matter to me. As far as Moses or Jesus being real, I think that historical sleuths have validated them in the same respect that they have validated the existence of Muhammad. Thank you so much for responding in depth. It has been a pleasure. And David, are you following us? I invite you to respond to our conversation.

Hound's avatar

You made a lot of assumptions.

I am what’s known as a misotheist. I hate God with all my being. I see all the needless suffering in the world and I see that God is to blame for all of it or at least most of it.

I have come to know that the suffering of humans His pleasure for God.

If God exists in God is good name the few of his redeeming values. As far as I can tell God is not good. If I were to worship God I would be worshiping a sadist, a psychopath, A bully a narcissist, a liar And pure evil.

God loves it when we suffer. He created us for his pleasure and his pleasure is sick pleasure. The Bible proves that.

I’m not a Jew It’s just that all the people I’ve known I think they were the best.

Sharon Otstot's avatar

If there is no God, no one created anything. So do you believe there is a God (capital G)? And you're just mad at him?

Sharon Otstot's avatar

Yes, I assumed. As I said, I was raised in a Protestant church. I went to church A LOT! My dad had a crazy first cousin who didn't like the choices of organized churches, so she kept inventing her own denomination. This happened several times. I remember one Sunday afternoon when we drove up to Michigan to visit her, and we ended up in a big tent in the middle of a corn field, listening to a sermon. I got really good as a kid tuning out the sermons. I did like the singing, though. Holy Week we went to church almost every night. As a young mom the week wasn't complete without going to church on Sunday morning. As one member said, during the week we go out in the world, and on Sunday we come back to our family. I loved it. Then the preacher was found to have committed adultery with another member's wife, and the Methodist Church revoked his job. Frank was such "glue" that when he left, his church feel apart. I never found another church home. That was in the early 1970s. A couple of years ago I came to the personal conclusion that God was like Santa Claus -- imaginary. I was disappointed, but realized that I had relied on my own efforts my whole life anyway. No more worry about heaven or hell. I'll be happy to put my minerals back into Mother Earth who nursed me my whole life. I'm 87 and in good health, but I don't want to live past 100. I see your anger. I have only calm and bliss.

Teri's avatar

Thank you, David. I had assumed Trump chose to go to war to detract from the Epstein situation, but now I'm not even sure if Trump is actually making decisions; he may well be a puppet

Carole's avatar

Bernie calls for a $4.4 trillion tax hike on billionaires, …. Does that even have a prayer in this HELL???

Kathy Kuhlmann's avatar

thank you for your informative reporting! interesting what you said about who the admin directs their narrative at with their memes and repetitions. that is so sad! that's why they defunded the Department of Education. They want us to be a dumb nation so they can do whatever they want and think we will just cheer them on.