Nah. Rich do not serve, we serve them. Mitt Romney had 5 sons, none served in military. Trump has 3, none serve. America full of Sunshine Patriots, who will criticize the military but never serve. I was in ROTC in college and laughed at by others headed for corporate big money.
I’m thinking and hoping that something good might come of this long overdue on the terrorist humanity or pressing regime in Iran. If I say this is a good thing the snowflakes think that this is an endorsement of Donald Trump. It isn’t. Trump isn’t illegitimate president and an arch criminal. In spite of that I’m not going to deny for this may turn out to be a really good thing. Trump doesn’t deserve the credit for this. Our military deserves the credit for this and our intelligence agencies deserve the credit for this.
This could work and obviously appeasing Islamic terrorists like we’ve been doing for decades and trusting the Iranian leadership didn’t work and everybody knew it wouldn’t work because you can’t trust terrorists. It used to be we did negotiate with terrorists. Negotiating with terrorist and liars in general is about as stupid as it gets.
This may have been a perfect time to do it regardless of who is president. The Iranian people were ready for this and wanted it and we had the advanced technology to do it quickly and effectively.
Same here. Iran overdue for spanking. How many "Deaths to America" does it take to show them what happens when you taunt us?
In 1979 Iranians took over our embassy and terrorized 66 Americans for over a year. This was on Pres Carter's watch. His response was comatose and the military action he did allow was boy scout level effort and miserable failure.
It sent the message to the rest of the world that the US was a weak, paper tiger and you can bring us down to our knees. From that point, terrorism throughout the middle east did not stop.
On October 23, 1983, a total of 241 U.S. service members (220 Marines, 18 Navy sailors, and 3 Army soldiers) were killed in a terrorist truck bombing at the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon. The attack also killed 58 French paratroopers, bringing the total military death toll to 299. Iran's hands were all over this and never made to account.
A huge mistake made by the US was to allow Iran to supply drones to Russia as well as North Korea to do the same and send troops to fight. That should have been an immediate red line that should have caused NATO to actively support Ukraine. Meanwhile we frittered away with teaspoon support that continues today.
I think it’s important to realize that back in the Carter Reagan era we didn’t have the technology that we do today to do precision strikes and targets like the military did this time too Iran.
They definitely were screw ups with Carter and Reagan when it came to the attempt to rescue the kidnapped students and the marine barracks was not adequately protected.
Probably the ideal way to handle it would be Keep killing off the Islamic government leaders in Iran until they Chickened out.
Probably the biggest enemy of the people in the Middle East is Islam. Islam is a death cult. It is a vile religion That seeks to oppress women and would like the age of consent for girls to be nine years old.
The Iranian people are not morons like the Russians. They are capable of having a democracy because they had one up until 1953 when the Americans in the British fucked that up for them.
This isn’t about punishing Iran it’s about exterminating their religious leadership.
Unfortunately the term Infidel is still taken seriously. Hatred disguised as religion is a powerful enemy. Even the Russians are using it to defend their invasion of Ukraine. Christianity does not have clean hands either. We now have Christian Nazi leadership. Not sure which is worse, phony Christians or dedicated Muslims. Neither respect women.
I am not convinced precision weapons win wars. In fact, they have become a handicap. They cost a fortune that limits the development and use of cheaper weapons you need for sustained combat. We are now using multi-million missiles to shoot down cheap drones. The cost of these could well bankrupt us. When we run out, it could lead to defeat or stagnation if the enemy uses quantity over quality.
These weapons give the false impression you can fight a clean war. We have the technology to only kill the bad guys. If you kill a civilian, kid, woman, you have committed a war crime which undercuts the goal of winning. This puts an impossible burden on US military. As a result we have not won a war since WWII.
Take the war with the Houtis. We are just playing billion dollar whack-a-mole. Yet we see them gather by the thousands with raised rifles and clenched fists. Yet these gatherings are considered off limits because we do not want to hurt their kids. These kids grow up to become the next generation of warriors. So why are they off limits.
WWII was won with lots of indiscriminate carpet bombing that levelled entire cities regardless of innocence. Sorry to put it so blunt. The goal of war should be victory and not worry about navigating world opinion.
Trump: "No new wars" What a clown. It's irrelevant whether this attack on Iran meets any technical definition of war under our Constitution. It's basically like a Vietnam War situation. Any mobilization and invasion on that scale is a war under any meaningful sense of the word. The bigger problem for me is, yet again, the maddening pretzel logic of MAGA supporters who will overwhelmingly now say, well wars are good now because it's Trump launching them.
At least the MAGAt base seems to shrink a little with every boneheaded decision the despot makes, but that seems to be slowing since the only ones left drank the koolaid and live with their orange idol in his delusional vile orange fantasyland.
As a proud American veteran of the U.S. Regular Army, I served as a Cold Warrior from 1961 to 1964. I narrowly avoided deployment to Vietnam; the Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred just as my troopship from Germany docked in New York, and I was being separated from active duty. Though I fully expected a recall, I was apparently just a "glorified company clerk," and they had no shortage of personnel.
Regardless of their service era or location, I am confident that the vast majority of American veterans share my disgust at a certain five-time, ancient, and doddering draft dodger—who whined about "bone spurs" that never seem to impede his incessant golf game—openly stating that a "war" he initiated was going to result in more young American deaths, with a casual "yeah, so?" attitude. Why am I not at all surprised?
My enlistment was a "volunteering" born of necessity. At 19, I couldn't secure a job because the military draft was constantly looming. The unspoken rule in 1961 was that companies had to hold a draftee's position open, a burden they simply met by refusing to hire young men likely to be drafted. A hiring manager spelled it out for me, ending with the direct advice, "So why don't you just join up?" So, I did.
Young Americans, many recent immigrants already in the all-volunteer services, may be ordered to die in an undeclared war engineered by the old draft dodger because he wants to create another distraction from the Epstein files.
If I had a family member in the service, I would be howling mad.
Our Great And Glorious Leader, Our God And King, The Returned Messiah, Our Lord And Savior, The Archbishop Of The True Trump™ Evangelical Church Of America, The Leader Of The World, And The Ruler Of The Universe, DONOLD JOHN TRUMP† (Power And Wealth And Wisdom And Strength And Honor And Glory And Praise be Unto Him Now And Forevermore!) deliberately LIED to us?
I’m just shocked — *shocked*, I tell you. Deeply, *deeply* shocked. Martha! Canst one scarcely imagine such a thang!
Honey, git me over to the faintin' couch and fetch the smellin' salts -- and fetch me a bromide. And this time, put some GIN in it!
Maybe it’s just a “special military operation”. After all, the vile orange war criminal seems obsessed with following in his orc war criminal lovers footsteps. Sure his base would lap right up!
Would you be saying the same thing if Biden had done this? He was probably considering it.
Were you dancing in the streets when Obama had bin Laden killed? Was that not an act of war? Was Osama bin Laden brought to trial?
You might want to learn the history of the Islamic revolution and how a once Democratic country was victim coup orchestrated by the UK and the USA which led to the theocratic regime that Iran now is today.
Right now it is unknown whether this action was illegal because the law is pretty obscure and it can mean what the best bullshitters says it means but one thing at least to me is clear is that Islamic Iranian government regime has been put out of business at least temporarily.
The other thing that is clear is that the Arab neighbors are glad this happened glad this happened. Maybe you don’t know it because you’re too busy whining about Trump is that the first thing the Iranian regime did was fire missiles at 11 different countries who had nothing to do with this attack. It was typical Islamic terrorism which is hate everybody and kills many people as you can because his lamb particularly the real hard-core stuff is a death cult. We won’t be hearing a lot of Allah Akbar from the Arab countries this time or any death to America. They all know that their lives and safety will be better off with the Iranian regime dead and gone.
Let’s take the opportunity to bash Trump because we know how well that works out. Whining about Trump got him arrested for treason and thrown into prison and brought to justice. Well at least it in some alternate universe where the rule of law prevailed in the United States.
I’m getting so sick of the Trump bashing. We all know he’s an evil son of a bitch and we keep repeating that he’s an illegitimate president and shouting impeach impeach impeach and we know that’s bullshit and we know he’s a pedophile and a criminal and above the law.
We might want to admit that this attack on the Iranian regime which has been the biggest state sponsored terrorism group and the biggest suppressor of humanity might actually be a good thing even if it is illegal. I don’t think this is war I think what it is at least at this point is the extermination of filthy dirty Islamo-fascists who have been involved in Islamic terrorism for decades. Presidents have tried to negotiate with them and they double cross them. But we kept doing the same stupid shit and expected different results.
Putting Trump aside, this was the right time in history to do what our military did. Normally we get involved in a war or a lot of people get killed got nothing ever gets resolved.
History may see this military action as humanitarian. Oppressors of humanity are being killed and that is a thing of beauty and it is glorious. It’s about time this happened I don’t care who did it come for the most part this will be a very positive thing for all humanity. It would be nice if something like this were to happen in the US and the billionaire oppresses of the American people will be brought to justice in the same way. It’s really easy to whine and complain.
Trump probably had ulterior motives for doing this like covering his ass putting in the grand scheme of things killing intractable terrorists is never a bad thing.
So are bonespurs genetic? Just wondering if the Trump and Kushner boys are going to sign up?
Nah. Rich do not serve, we serve them. Mitt Romney had 5 sons, none served in military. Trump has 3, none serve. America full of Sunshine Patriots, who will criticize the military but never serve. I was in ROTC in college and laughed at by others headed for corporate big money.
I’m thinking and hoping that something good might come of this long overdue on the terrorist humanity or pressing regime in Iran. If I say this is a good thing the snowflakes think that this is an endorsement of Donald Trump. It isn’t. Trump isn’t illegitimate president and an arch criminal. In spite of that I’m not going to deny for this may turn out to be a really good thing. Trump doesn’t deserve the credit for this. Our military deserves the credit for this and our intelligence agencies deserve the credit for this.
This could work and obviously appeasing Islamic terrorists like we’ve been doing for decades and trusting the Iranian leadership didn’t work and everybody knew it wouldn’t work because you can’t trust terrorists. It used to be we did negotiate with terrorists. Negotiating with terrorist and liars in general is about as stupid as it gets.
This may have been a perfect time to do it regardless of who is president. The Iranian people were ready for this and wanted it and we had the advanced technology to do it quickly and effectively.
Same here. Iran overdue for spanking. How many "Deaths to America" does it take to show them what happens when you taunt us?
In 1979 Iranians took over our embassy and terrorized 66 Americans for over a year. This was on Pres Carter's watch. His response was comatose and the military action he did allow was boy scout level effort and miserable failure.
It sent the message to the rest of the world that the US was a weak, paper tiger and you can bring us down to our knees. From that point, terrorism throughout the middle east did not stop.
On October 23, 1983, a total of 241 U.S. service members (220 Marines, 18 Navy sailors, and 3 Army soldiers) were killed in a terrorist truck bombing at the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon. The attack also killed 58 French paratroopers, bringing the total military death toll to 299. Iran's hands were all over this and never made to account.
A huge mistake made by the US was to allow Iran to supply drones to Russia as well as North Korea to do the same and send troops to fight. That should have been an immediate red line that should have caused NATO to actively support Ukraine. Meanwhile we frittered away with teaspoon support that continues today.
I think it’s important to realize that back in the Carter Reagan era we didn’t have the technology that we do today to do precision strikes and targets like the military did this time too Iran.
They definitely were screw ups with Carter and Reagan when it came to the attempt to rescue the kidnapped students and the marine barracks was not adequately protected.
Probably the ideal way to handle it would be Keep killing off the Islamic government leaders in Iran until they Chickened out.
Probably the biggest enemy of the people in the Middle East is Islam. Islam is a death cult. It is a vile religion That seeks to oppress women and would like the age of consent for girls to be nine years old.
The Iranian people are not morons like the Russians. They are capable of having a democracy because they had one up until 1953 when the Americans in the British fucked that up for them.
This isn’t about punishing Iran it’s about exterminating their religious leadership.
Unfortunately the term Infidel is still taken seriously. Hatred disguised as religion is a powerful enemy. Even the Russians are using it to defend their invasion of Ukraine. Christianity does not have clean hands either. We now have Christian Nazi leadership. Not sure which is worse, phony Christians or dedicated Muslims. Neither respect women.
Two of the major religions are Islam and Christianity. They both have the same God and that is the god of Abraham who is a brutal bastard.
Religion hasn’t caused every war but it’s caused probably most of them.
I am not convinced precision weapons win wars. In fact, they have become a handicap. They cost a fortune that limits the development and use of cheaper weapons you need for sustained combat. We are now using multi-million missiles to shoot down cheap drones. The cost of these could well bankrupt us. When we run out, it could lead to defeat or stagnation if the enemy uses quantity over quality.
These weapons give the false impression you can fight a clean war. We have the technology to only kill the bad guys. If you kill a civilian, kid, woman, you have committed a war crime which undercuts the goal of winning. This puts an impossible burden on US military. As a result we have not won a war since WWII.
Take the war with the Houtis. We are just playing billion dollar whack-a-mole. Yet we see them gather by the thousands with raised rifles and clenched fists. Yet these gatherings are considered off limits because we do not want to hurt their kids. These kids grow up to become the next generation of warriors. So why are they off limits.
WWII was won with lots of indiscriminate carpet bombing that levelled entire cities regardless of innocence. Sorry to put it so blunt. The goal of war should be victory and not worry about navigating world opinion.
Trump: "No new wars" What a clown. It's irrelevant whether this attack on Iran meets any technical definition of war under our Constitution. It's basically like a Vietnam War situation. Any mobilization and invasion on that scale is a war under any meaningful sense of the word. The bigger problem for me is, yet again, the maddening pretzel logic of MAGA supporters who will overwhelmingly now say, well wars are good now because it's Trump launching them.
Proves accurate- when you make a clown the leader, you should expect a CIRCUS 🤡
At least the MAGAt base seems to shrink a little with every boneheaded decision the despot makes, but that seems to be slowing since the only ones left drank the koolaid and live with their orange idol in his delusional vile orange fantasyland.
"Ain't Gonna Study War No More"
As a proud American veteran of the U.S. Regular Army, I served as a Cold Warrior from 1961 to 1964. I narrowly avoided deployment to Vietnam; the Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred just as my troopship from Germany docked in New York, and I was being separated from active duty. Though I fully expected a recall, I was apparently just a "glorified company clerk," and they had no shortage of personnel.
Regardless of their service era or location, I am confident that the vast majority of American veterans share my disgust at a certain five-time, ancient, and doddering draft dodger—who whined about "bone spurs" that never seem to impede his incessant golf game—openly stating that a "war" he initiated was going to result in more young American deaths, with a casual "yeah, so?" attitude. Why am I not at all surprised?
My enlistment was a "volunteering" born of necessity. At 19, I couldn't secure a job because the military draft was constantly looming. The unspoken rule in 1961 was that companies had to hold a draftee's position open, a burden they simply met by refusing to hire young men likely to be drafted. A hiring manager spelled it out for me, ending with the direct advice, "So why don't you just join up?" So, I did.
Young Americans, many recent immigrants already in the all-volunteer services, may be ordered to die in an undeclared war engineered by the old draft dodger because he wants to create another distraction from the Epstein files.
If I had a family member in the service, I would be howling mad.
David:
Our Great And Glorious Leader, Our God And King, The Returned Messiah, Our Lord And Savior, The Archbishop Of The True Trump™ Evangelical Church Of America, The Leader Of The World, And The Ruler Of The Universe, DONOLD JOHN TRUMP† (Power And Wealth And Wisdom And Strength And Honor And Glory And Praise be Unto Him Now And Forevermore!) deliberately LIED to us?
I’m just shocked — *shocked*, I tell you. Deeply, *deeply* shocked. Martha! Canst one scarcely imagine such a thang!
Honey, git me over to the faintin' couch and fetch the smellin' salts -- and fetch me a bromide. And this time, put some GIN in it!
/snarkasm
They need to make a fucking decision, and the fact that lives are already lost and no one cares makes me sick😡🤬
Maybe it’s just a “special military operation”. After all, the vile orange war criminal seems obsessed with following in his orc war criminal lovers footsteps. Sure his base would lap right up!
Would you be saying the same thing if Biden had done this? He was probably considering it.
Were you dancing in the streets when Obama had bin Laden killed? Was that not an act of war? Was Osama bin Laden brought to trial?
You might want to learn the history of the Islamic revolution and how a once Democratic country was victim coup orchestrated by the UK and the USA which led to the theocratic regime that Iran now is today.
Right now it is unknown whether this action was illegal because the law is pretty obscure and it can mean what the best bullshitters says it means but one thing at least to me is clear is that Islamic Iranian government regime has been put out of business at least temporarily.
The other thing that is clear is that the Arab neighbors are glad this happened glad this happened. Maybe you don’t know it because you’re too busy whining about Trump is that the first thing the Iranian regime did was fire missiles at 11 different countries who had nothing to do with this attack. It was typical Islamic terrorism which is hate everybody and kills many people as you can because his lamb particularly the real hard-core stuff is a death cult. We won’t be hearing a lot of Allah Akbar from the Arab countries this time or any death to America. They all know that their lives and safety will be better off with the Iranian regime dead and gone.
I just heard a rumor that the Ayahtolla Kumeni(sp?). Is NOT actually dead 😵
Trump is the absolute most easily dog walked idiot on the face of the planet…
Let’s take the opportunity to bash Trump because we know how well that works out. Whining about Trump got him arrested for treason and thrown into prison and brought to justice. Well at least it in some alternate universe where the rule of law prevailed in the United States.
I’m getting so sick of the Trump bashing. We all know he’s an evil son of a bitch and we keep repeating that he’s an illegitimate president and shouting impeach impeach impeach and we know that’s bullshit and we know he’s a pedophile and a criminal and above the law.
We might want to admit that this attack on the Iranian regime which has been the biggest state sponsored terrorism group and the biggest suppressor of humanity might actually be a good thing even if it is illegal. I don’t think this is war I think what it is at least at this point is the extermination of filthy dirty Islamo-fascists who have been involved in Islamic terrorism for decades. Presidents have tried to negotiate with them and they double cross them. But we kept doing the same stupid shit and expected different results.
Putting Trump aside, this was the right time in history to do what our military did. Normally we get involved in a war or a lot of people get killed got nothing ever gets resolved.
History may see this military action as humanitarian. Oppressors of humanity are being killed and that is a thing of beauty and it is glorious. It’s about time this happened I don’t care who did it come for the most part this will be a very positive thing for all humanity. It would be nice if something like this were to happen in the US and the billionaire oppresses of the American people will be brought to justice in the same way. It’s really easy to whine and complain.
Trump probably had ulterior motives for doing this like covering his ass putting in the grand scheme of things killing intractable terrorists is never a bad thing.
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