Consider how many people have been in the streets protesting. Now also consider that there are 335 million Americans and 350 million guns. Of the 335 million Americans only about 26% voted for Trump and he doesn't have near that in his personal police the GOP(Grand Ole Pedos) gave him. That leave some 240 million people, by math with a higher probability of having a gun. Republicans have been taking that NRA money for years and blaming Dems of wanting everyone's gun but here we are, the Republican Pedo President says it out loud and the only people standing up to him are the Dems. None of those azz holes that made campaign ads shooting an AR at whatever are standing up for anything, much less your rights. Just because Dems don't run around town waving a semi auto rifle, don't think for a second they are not armed.
gun purchases by centrist and left of center folks is up, statistically speaking. BUT we must always speak of and work toward peace. That must be our default mode. Ask Howard Zinn and John Lewis (figuratively speaking).
Gun purchases are up? I'm a retired Union Boilermaker and I can't think of a single one of these guys I've ever know voted for anything but Dems, and I also can't say I know one that doesn't own guns. A large number of them hunt though I don't. My point is, just because the Reich thinks they have all the guns doesn't mean it is true. I've had many guns over the years and the difference is I'm not spread all over Facebook with my wife and kids all holding AR15s. I have also learned over the years a large part of these on Reich are cowards. Watch the video on all the Gestpo attacking that man the other day before they assasinated him, look at how many. Had it been a single person ICE prick this would not have happened, he would not have had the nerve to do it. Seems when they get in numbers they get bold because they know someone is there with a gun to havew his back.
Yes and one or two dogs can be safe but make it a pack of five or more and the mentality diminishes. Then we see the mass destruction! Two ICE, ugh, 5-7 ICE = murder.
Hear me out please? As bad as Trump is, I don't know that he is okay with all this violence. But I know that Stephen Miller is and he has been given way too much power. Trump seems to be most convinced by the person that speaks in his ear last. And Stephen Miller seems to be calling the shots. Trump seems to stop short once his base starts screaming and will pivot, but Stephen Miller doesn't care about any of that. His goal is to get through the agenda, plow through Project 2025 and try to rig the mid-terms. The problem is how do we get rid of Stephen Miller? Then again, if it's not him it's some other controlling dictator wannabe that will take his place. Same thing when Trump is gone. Will Vance fill that void? Trump has explicitly said in interviews that he doesn't see Vance as his successor. Miller and his wife Katie are vile people. And the fact that they produced spawn is horrifying.
True, but every new person has to get up to speed and loses something. Every turnover creates opportunities from their learning mistakes. Turnover makes it hard to execute an agenda due to lack of continuity where continuity matters.
Thank you, David. Hopefully citizens won't give the goons the satisfaction of mimicking their behavior. I've always believed what I learned as a child: "two wrongs don't make a right".
Thanks, David and team, for this description of the dilemma facing people of conscience in America today. The authoritarians believe that their violence is right and that our responding violence is wrong. Sane minds will not prevail here, as "a country that feels ungovernable becomes easier to manipulate. A population kept in constant fear becomes more willing to accept extraordinary measures. When violence spreads, calls for order grow louder, even when that order erodes democratic norms."
Historically speaking, it seems that the only way to restore order is to remove the head of the snake. In this case, multiple snakes are clinging to this cult-like regime.
I think that there are more people with guns in red states. I do know liberals own guns, too, but none of the red states are being attacked, and large cities in red states are largely blue. Will ICE thugs siege a red community? Or will conservative people take up their right to defend the Constitution?
I wonder the same thing myself. If they do start hitting red states, then I'm pretty sure the MAGA base will defend their constitutional rights but in a violent way. All you have to do refer back to Jan 6 when MAGA went wild on Trump's behalf. There is already a civil war brewing within MAGA and Trump supporters on what he's being saying about guns lately. He told the press there 'can't be any guns' meaning that even if you're lawfully allowed to carry, still no guns. They don't like where this is going. My guess is we'll see Trump pivot on this.
David, given how tRump says all the agitators in Minneapolis are paid, have you ever given thought that maybe he might try to insert paid assassins to kill Ice officers as a way to create greater instability? Yes, a very sick thought. but given how he has acted, I wouldn't be surprised if he, or his henchmen would attempt to do so.
BTW, I find your podcasts to be so much more listenable than Meidas Touch. I like Ben, but he oftentimes goes over the top, at least to me.
When ice agents were yelling at the lady to drive away when she was trying to get to her Dr appointment, in Minnesota, after having just killed someone in the same exact scenario, what do you do?
If they yell at you for recording something that needs to be recorded, what do you do?
If you're doing these things legally and they aggressively engage you, are you going to wait to be killed or shoot first?
Senator Amidala said it best "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause". If attacks happen on federal agents, the belt will tighten, the police state will grow, and, sadly, the party in control of both houses of Congress will reply with thunderous applause.
I think it would be a big mistake at least at this point to knock off ICEHOLES. Not all of them are morally depraved even though a lot of them are.
I wouldn’t rule out violence but I don’t think it’s necessary at least not yet. I think they should be given fair warning that if they don’t leave and they don’t confess and they don’t cooperate then retaliation will become part of the solution.
I’m not saying that they should not have the fear of God put in them because they should.
I can see kidnapping some of them and reading them the riot act and maybe give him a good beating and leave some noticeable scars on them if they act like complete assholes.It might even be possible to get some of them to turn and gather evidence on the other ICEHOLES. It’s a pretty good guess that they don’t have any loyalty to really anybody and most of them are probably just doing it for a paycheck. It seems to me that they’re probably very much like Russian conscripts and that they don’t really want to be there.
Another thing that could freak them out as if somebody shines a red laser on them at night and they might think that somebody is about to shoot them. The person doing that better be smart about it and having an escape route.
If killing them becomes part of it it has to be done with good planning and should be done by professionals such as navy seals, airborne Rangers, police sharp shooters etc. If they think there are snipers out there they’re gonna be scared shitless. They will be terrified But I don’t think we’ve gotten to that point yet and I hope we never do but if it does have to happen this way people need to be smart about it.
It may be worth taking some of them hostage like they do to Americans. If violence is used it would probably be more effective to not do it to the foot soldiers part the ones giving the illegal orders.
They also need to understand that there will be retribution and it may happen long after they stand down.
Ideally the best thing would be to capture and prosecute them.
Currently in the war in Ukraine, 80% of the deaths of Russian soldiers are being caused by drones. Perhaps a better strategy than people randomly killing ICEHOLES would be to fly drones high over their heads and kind of circle them and maybe occasionally have one swooped down towards them just to freak them out. The Russians are scared shitless of drones.
Escalate incrementally because it may not have to come to a lot of bloodshed. There are non-lethal weapons and less lethal weapons.
There is an old saying that revenge is a dish best served cold. If there is a nonviolent way to get them to leave and never come back that would probably be the most permanent solution.
If violence becomes the only option the best way to discombobulate is to go after the command and control.
The objective should be getting them to leave and never come back. They can probably be done without violence.
Trump will eventually invoke the Insurrection Act then martial law....this will definitely occur at some point. Then he will cancel the coming elections sure as shit. This is solely to keep him in power it has to happen for his protection. He has said this many times in his usual vague joking manner....how many times to date has this proved real? Yeah expect it prepare for it.
I'm a 🔵 in a horridly gone wrong 🟥 State. I own two fire arms, ammo and a CC. I've seen the anger boil with the last shooting and whispers of "they'll take my guns from my cold dead hands" It's getting scary for my senior friends. They don't want to go out in public anymore. Gun carriers don't always hit the target their aiming at. We must be vigilant without becoming vigilantes.
"The Battle in Seattle"- so called because people set fire to police cars and things during the demonstration by many groups, against the World Trade Association meeting in Seattle, 1999. The groups consulted about the identity of the arsonists: nobody knew who they were, even locals had never seen them. I suspect they were hired thugs of government agents. I am naturally suspicious in that way about terrorism. In Peace protests I have been in, I usually meet the kind of people who have no list of people who should die. Our groups must have body cameras, and held cameras, and prosecute all violence, even when the perpetrators seem to be on our side.
If an ICE agent gets killed it'll be staged just like the shot that grazed Trump's ear. They set the whole thing up for the photo op. Everything about that right wing is a lie.
Does anyone think that the answer might be to NOT protest. Stay off the streets as much as possible. Contact your state Immigrants Rights Coalition. We can shop and deliver meds for those who dare not leave their homes. Live life as normal. We can still carry signs while doing that but no one can accuse us of impeding with law enforcement. Put a sign on your car. Just some thoughts.
Consider how many people have been in the streets protesting. Now also consider that there are 335 million Americans and 350 million guns. Of the 335 million Americans only about 26% voted for Trump and he doesn't have near that in his personal police the GOP(Grand Ole Pedos) gave him. That leave some 240 million people, by math with a higher probability of having a gun. Republicans have been taking that NRA money for years and blaming Dems of wanting everyone's gun but here we are, the Republican Pedo President says it out loud and the only people standing up to him are the Dems. None of those azz holes that made campaign ads shooting an AR at whatever are standing up for anything, much less your rights. Just because Dems don't run around town waving a semi auto rifle, don't think for a second they are not armed.
💯 true
gun purchases by centrist and left of center folks is up, statistically speaking. BUT we must always speak of and work toward peace. That must be our default mode. Ask Howard Zinn and John Lewis (figuratively speaking).
Gun purchases are up? I'm a retired Union Boilermaker and I can't think of a single one of these guys I've ever know voted for anything but Dems, and I also can't say I know one that doesn't own guns. A large number of them hunt though I don't. My point is, just because the Reich thinks they have all the guns doesn't mean it is true. I've had many guns over the years and the difference is I'm not spread all over Facebook with my wife and kids all holding AR15s. I have also learned over the years a large part of these on Reich are cowards. Watch the video on all the Gestpo attacking that man the other day before they assasinated him, look at how many. Had it been a single person ICE prick this would not have happened, he would not have had the nerve to do it. Seems when they get in numbers they get bold because they know someone is there with a gun to havew his back.
Yes and one or two dogs can be safe but make it a pack of five or more and the mentality diminishes. Then we see the mass destruction! Two ICE, ugh, 5-7 ICE = murder.
You are absolutely right.
Our restraint is our power, don't let them write or control our narrative.
Hear me out please? As bad as Trump is, I don't know that he is okay with all this violence. But I know that Stephen Miller is and he has been given way too much power. Trump seems to be most convinced by the person that speaks in his ear last. And Stephen Miller seems to be calling the shots. Trump seems to stop short once his base starts screaming and will pivot, but Stephen Miller doesn't care about any of that. His goal is to get through the agenda, plow through Project 2025 and try to rig the mid-terms. The problem is how do we get rid of Stephen Miller? Then again, if it's not him it's some other controlling dictator wannabe that will take his place. Same thing when Trump is gone. Will Vance fill that void? Trump has explicitly said in interviews that he doesn't see Vance as his successor. Miller and his wife Katie are vile people. And the fact that they produced spawn is horrifying.
True, but every new person has to get up to speed and loses something. Every turnover creates opportunities from their learning mistakes. Turnover makes it hard to execute an agenda due to lack of continuity where continuity matters.
I fine it amazing how they can keep staff.
Exactly so. I've been not been seeing (or hearing) of these 'show signings' of presidential wishes lately.
Can the handlers no longer direct FOTUS well enough not showing a fiasco with anything on camera any more?
Thank you, David. Hopefully citizens won't give the goons the satisfaction of mimicking their behavior. I've always believed what I learned as a child: "two wrongs don't make a right".
Thanks, David and team, for this description of the dilemma facing people of conscience in America today. The authoritarians believe that their violence is right and that our responding violence is wrong. Sane minds will not prevail here, as "a country that feels ungovernable becomes easier to manipulate. A population kept in constant fear becomes more willing to accept extraordinary measures. When violence spreads, calls for order grow louder, even when that order erodes democratic norms."
Historically speaking, it seems that the only way to restore order is to remove the head of the snake. In this case, multiple snakes are clinging to this cult-like regime.
I think that there are more people with guns in red states. I do know liberals own guns, too, but none of the red states are being attacked, and large cities in red states are largely blue. Will ICE thugs siege a red community? Or will conservative people take up their right to defend the Constitution?
I wonder the same thing myself. If they do start hitting red states, then I'm pretty sure the MAGA base will defend their constitutional rights but in a violent way. All you have to do refer back to Jan 6 when MAGA went wild on Trump's behalf. There is already a civil war brewing within MAGA and Trump supporters on what he's being saying about guns lately. He told the press there 'can't be any guns' meaning that even if you're lawfully allowed to carry, still no guns. They don't like where this is going. My guess is we'll see Trump pivot on this.
I can only read trump news in small bits. It almost makes me sick.
David, given how tRump says all the agitators in Minneapolis are paid, have you ever given thought that maybe he might try to insert paid assassins to kill Ice officers as a way to create greater instability? Yes, a very sick thought. but given how he has acted, I wouldn't be surprised if he, or his henchmen would attempt to do so.
BTW, I find your podcasts to be so much more listenable than Meidas Touch. I like Ben, but he oftentimes goes over the top, at least to me.
When ice agents were yelling at the lady to drive away when she was trying to get to her Dr appointment, in Minnesota, after having just killed someone in the same exact scenario, what do you do?
If they yell at you for recording something that needs to be recorded, what do you do?
If you're doing these things legally and they aggressively engage you, are you going to wait to be killed or shoot first?
That's where THEY'VE put us.
Senator Amidala said it best "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause". If attacks happen on federal agents, the belt will tighten, the police state will grow, and, sadly, the party in control of both houses of Congress will reply with thunderous applause.
We just need to be patient and wait til we TAKE BACK THE HOUSE!!
I think it would be a big mistake at least at this point to knock off ICEHOLES. Not all of them are morally depraved even though a lot of them are.
I wouldn’t rule out violence but I don’t think it’s necessary at least not yet. I think they should be given fair warning that if they don’t leave and they don’t confess and they don’t cooperate then retaliation will become part of the solution.
I’m not saying that they should not have the fear of God put in them because they should.
I can see kidnapping some of them and reading them the riot act and maybe give him a good beating and leave some noticeable scars on them if they act like complete assholes.It might even be possible to get some of them to turn and gather evidence on the other ICEHOLES. It’s a pretty good guess that they don’t have any loyalty to really anybody and most of them are probably just doing it for a paycheck. It seems to me that they’re probably very much like Russian conscripts and that they don’t really want to be there.
Another thing that could freak them out as if somebody shines a red laser on them at night and they might think that somebody is about to shoot them. The person doing that better be smart about it and having an escape route.
If killing them becomes part of it it has to be done with good planning and should be done by professionals such as navy seals, airborne Rangers, police sharp shooters etc. If they think there are snipers out there they’re gonna be scared shitless. They will be terrified But I don’t think we’ve gotten to that point yet and I hope we never do but if it does have to happen this way people need to be smart about it.
It may be worth taking some of them hostage like they do to Americans. If violence is used it would probably be more effective to not do it to the foot soldiers part the ones giving the illegal orders.
They also need to understand that there will be retribution and it may happen long after they stand down.
Ideally the best thing would be to capture and prosecute them.
Currently in the war in Ukraine, 80% of the deaths of Russian soldiers are being caused by drones. Perhaps a better strategy than people randomly killing ICEHOLES would be to fly drones high over their heads and kind of circle them and maybe occasionally have one swooped down towards them just to freak them out. The Russians are scared shitless of drones.
Escalate incrementally because it may not have to come to a lot of bloodshed. There are non-lethal weapons and less lethal weapons.
There is an old saying that revenge is a dish best served cold. If there is a nonviolent way to get them to leave and never come back that would probably be the most permanent solution.
If violence becomes the only option the best way to discombobulate is to go after the command and control.
The objective should be getting them to leave and never come back. They can probably be done without violence.
Trump will eventually invoke the Insurrection Act then martial law....this will definitely occur at some point. Then he will cancel the coming elections sure as shit. This is solely to keep him in power it has to happen for his protection. He has said this many times in his usual vague joking manner....how many times to date has this proved real? Yeah expect it prepare for it.
I'm a 🔵 in a horridly gone wrong 🟥 State. I own two fire arms, ammo and a CC. I've seen the anger boil with the last shooting and whispers of "they'll take my guns from my cold dead hands" It's getting scary for my senior friends. They don't want to go out in public anymore. Gun carriers don't always hit the target their aiming at. We must be vigilant without becoming vigilantes.
"The Battle in Seattle"- so called because people set fire to police cars and things during the demonstration by many groups, against the World Trade Association meeting in Seattle, 1999. The groups consulted about the identity of the arsonists: nobody knew who they were, even locals had never seen them. I suspect they were hired thugs of government agents. I am naturally suspicious in that way about terrorism. In Peace protests I have been in, I usually meet the kind of people who have no list of people who should die. Our groups must have body cameras, and held cameras, and prosecute all violence, even when the perpetrators seem to be on our side.
If an ICE agent gets killed it'll be staged just like the shot that grazed Trump's ear. They set the whole thing up for the photo op. Everything about that right wing is a lie.
It only takes S Miller planting people in a peaceful protest to kill an ICE agent to give the govt what they need.
Does anyone think that the answer might be to NOT protest. Stay off the streets as much as possible. Contact your state Immigrants Rights Coalition. We can shop and deliver meds for those who dare not leave their homes. Live life as normal. We can still carry signs while doing that but no one can accuse us of impeding with law enforcement. Put a sign on your car. Just some thoughts.