Debra is right, but also we have lots of evidence already, and so can see what is missing, altered etc... Maybe a 'smoking gun' bit of evidence is gone, but there will be other evidence which tells us it exists.
Often as not, it is not the original crime which gets uncovered, it is the cover up which draws the focus and is a crime all by itself.
Ultimately it is in the hands of the public and how they respond. I hope that after electing a crook, twice, that those who erred have finally learned something. I'm not even an American, but this shitshow affects the entire world.
Doctoring documents has been around since documents (of any nature) have existed, but along with that crime has been an 'arms race' where experts detect the doctoring, and the criminals get better, and the detectives get better... Personally I expect the 'cruel clown car' which is this administration will not be competent at this either.
Yes, of course the criminals will lie. It is by revealing their lies, force them to lie after lie after lie that we peal off the 'loyalists' and defeat them. This is how we "literally get rid of them". There will be democrats in the mix, I am sure, because historically Democrats have usually been the ones caught doing 'sex crimes', but they too should be punished.
My hunch is that Trump did not merely 'taste the product' but was actually a business partner with Epstein in his 'human trafficking' enterprise, through the use of his pageants, resorts, casinos, large plane and large number of apartments in his buildings.
What innocent people, the billionaires who don't want you know? Trust us we know. Would have been cheaper and in your best interest to just pay your fair share of taxes.
My concern is that trump only started supporting the Epstein files release because he has 2 different ways to avoid releasing them. But he is definitely basking in the glory for releasing them.
The release of the Epstein files is needed precisely because lots of powerful and rich people were involved and so were protected either politically or because prosecutors hate cases against rich and powerful because all those expensive lawyers and their endless delay tactics and 'trying the case in the media' (which prosecutors are blocked from doing) and everything else about the situation makes them incredibly hard to get a conviction, and then because the person with the richest lawyers has never been convicted before, they get a slap on the wrist, no jail time, or if they do see the jail, it is with perks and treatment that make you not see it as a jail at all. So they go after the small fry and move on to more 'gettable' bad guys.
With the release the rich and powerful become exposed. It is precisely because they are being 'tried by the media' and having to defend themselves faced with evidence, that they become vulnerable.
I do hope they will be able to get the FULL reports with ONLY the victims names redacted, despite the clear intent of the administration. Also, the house committee should continue to get stuff from the Epstein estate, and push to get stuff from the treasury and other relevant departments.
Crowdsourcing the investigation into the mountain of evidence will certainly uncover lots of crimes.
We start off knowing there were LOTS of major crimes. It is essentially certain Epstein and Maxwell were guilty. It is by the very nature of their guilt that we KNOW there were LOTS of other people who partook of the forbidden fruit, abusing those children. It is by the nature of the business model of Epstein's enterprise that we KNOW the bulk of those predators were rich and powerful.
So, if the files do NOT produce the evidence we KNOW must exist, including evidence we have already seen, that we will know there is still an ongoing coverup.
Don't you suspect that the files could have been altered ? They had them all this time. How do we know that the files were not edited?
Debra is right, but also we have lots of evidence already, and so can see what is missing, altered etc... Maybe a 'smoking gun' bit of evidence is gone, but there will be other evidence which tells us it exists.
Often as not, it is not the original crime which gets uncovered, it is the cover up which draws the focus and is a crime all by itself.
Ultimately it is in the hands of the public and how they respond. I hope that after electing a crook, twice, that those who erred have finally learned something. I'm not even an American, but this shitshow affects the entire world.
I totally agree. It's so much more than trump.
It’s very difficult to “doctor” files! We need to make sure that forensic specialists view those documents.
It's very easy to doctor digital documents.
Crooks and their accomplices do crooked things.
Doctoring documents has been around since documents (of any nature) have existed, but along with that crime has been an 'arms race' where experts detect the doctoring, and the criminals get better, and the detectives get better... Personally I expect the 'cruel clown car' which is this administration will not be competent at this either.
They'll try, and if found out, they'll just claim political fake news. The only way to get rid of them is to literally get rid of them!
Yes, of course the criminals will lie. It is by revealing their lies, force them to lie after lie after lie that we peal off the 'loyalists' and defeat them. This is how we "literally get rid of them". There will be democrats in the mix, I am sure, because historically Democrats have usually been the ones caught doing 'sex crimes', but they too should be punished.
My hunch is that Trump did not merely 'taste the product' but was actually a business partner with Epstein in his 'human trafficking' enterprise, through the use of his pageants, resorts, casinos, large plane and large number of apartments in his buildings.
I agree, and I believe all the women who have accused him.
They won’t release them.
What innocent people, the billionaires who don't want you know? Trust us we know. Would have been cheaper and in your best interest to just pay your fair share of taxes.
My concern is that trump only started supporting the Epstein files release because he has 2 different ways to avoid releasing them. But he is definitely basking in the glory for releasing them.
The files will be doctored - why else would Trump do a full turnaround.
It's very easy to doctor digital documents.
Crooks and their accomplices do crooked things.
The release of the Epstein files is needed precisely because lots of powerful and rich people were involved and so were protected either politically or because prosecutors hate cases against rich and powerful because all those expensive lawyers and their endless delay tactics and 'trying the case in the media' (which prosecutors are blocked from doing) and everything else about the situation makes them incredibly hard to get a conviction, and then because the person with the richest lawyers has never been convicted before, they get a slap on the wrist, no jail time, or if they do see the jail, it is with perks and treatment that make you not see it as a jail at all. So they go after the small fry and move on to more 'gettable' bad guys.
With the release the rich and powerful become exposed. It is precisely because they are being 'tried by the media' and having to defend themselves faced with evidence, that they become vulnerable.
I do hope they will be able to get the FULL reports with ONLY the victims names redacted, despite the clear intent of the administration. Also, the house committee should continue to get stuff from the Epstein estate, and push to get stuff from the treasury and other relevant departments.
Crowdsourcing the investigation into the mountain of evidence will certainly uncover lots of crimes.
We start off knowing there were LOTS of major crimes. It is essentially certain Epstein and Maxwell were guilty. It is by the very nature of their guilt that we KNOW there were LOTS of other people who partook of the forbidden fruit, abusing those children. It is by the nature of the business model of Epstein's enterprise that we KNOW the bulk of those predators were rich and powerful.
So, if the files do NOT produce the evidence we KNOW must exist, including evidence we have already seen, that we will know there is still an ongoing coverup.