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Hound's avatar

If America was a democracy, a true democracy and not the bullshit corporate version of bullshit democracy there would be referendums at the national level.

The referendum would be should abortion be legal and a human right?

Let the people decide. Maybe it should be exclusively women who decide because they’re the ones that get pregnant and suffer the agony of being pregnant because pregnancy is a shit condition that causes health problems for women the rest of their lives and causes premature death.

The Bible assholes can’t even find anything in the Bible that forbid abortion. The truth is the God of the Bible is a baby killing machine. When God goes on his killing spree he doesn’t spare pregnant women. He kills them too because God is an asshole fictional character.

When it comes to abortion Christians are full of shit but so is anyone who believes that there is a God that is benevolent.

Maternal mortality rate has tripled in the US since 1985.

Julie's avatar

Abortion, birth control and any other thing that happen to women only should be decided by women. Abortion and birth control are medical, not religious in nature. B4 the christians come for me, listen to this; if you get pregnant (however that happened) if you seek a medical opinion you used to-be able to get an abortion. If you are religious in any way and do not believe in such things, so be it. If you are not religious you should be able to receive the abortion you are requesting. Simple. It is a matter of personal preference NOT POLITICS OR RELIGION.

I know that christian leaders, politicians and the oligarchs are getting abortions for their female relatives. But the rest of us…..this is BS!

The Coke Brothers's avatar

They were never going to stop. It's always bait and switch with the gop. But the lynchpin of all this is the SCOTUS.

Carmen's avatar
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Imagine if I was of child bearing age at this time. At 18 years of age I had an ectopic pregnancy, collapsed on my bathroom floor and had to be rushed into emergency surgery. Doctors did their job and save my life. In today’s environment I would be a dead duck!!! Thank God it was then and not now.

Mary Ellen Becht's avatar

About the controversy between Abortion and Pro-Choice, please consider this viewpoint. I am a Catholic woman and I am against abortion for ME. I am also Pro-Choice for all others who do not share my religious beliefs. I would never, ever presume to force my beliefs on those who do not share them. Just as strongly, I wouldn't want anyone to force their beliefs on me. The Supreme Court, the president must represent ALL AMERICANS, from the religious to the atheist and all in between. Because of this, they cannot push their own personal agendas forward. A president's job is to see that ALL AMERICANS have EQUAL REPRESENTATION AND PROTECTION. Being Pro-Choice fulfills that role. After all, it is Pro-Choice and doesn't mean "MUST" (have an abortion.) People can choose to exert the free will given to all of us by God. This gift will have consequences of our own own "DAY OF JUDGEMENT." That's up to the Almighty: Remember the bible story of the woman about to be stoned to death for committing adultery? Jesus intervened and said whichever of the men was without sin should cast the first stone. The stoning did not take place. Does this mean that Jesus was PRO-ADULTERY? of course not! I cannot judge any woman who chooses abortion and neither can anyuone else. That job is already taken by a God who is Forgiving, Loving, Compassionate and Just. Only He knows what is in our hearts to have to come to that heart breaking decision.Why do these people that claim they are only pro-life and are against abortion don't give a shit once that child is here and need financial and medical help because their parents can't afford it.

BSmith's avatar

That argument holds no merit. It’s how some people felt about slavery back in the day. “I wouldn’t own a slave, but I would not infringe upon someone else’s right to be a slave owner.” Some things, such as murdering the innocent, should be against the law period.

Carole's avatar

❤️❤️❤️❤️AMEN!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

Carole's avatar

Well dudes can get drugs through the mail easy-peasy to give them erections to let them perhaps CAUSE a pregnancy. But old fat white men can say oopsies- you get to be a mom and the poor kid gets to be a poor kid if they get her pregnant. And then waltz on thru their lives….

33RR's avatar

These morons say they’re pro-life, but they’re OK with out-of-control gun violence, cutting health care, stopping US Aid for people around the world, attacking other countries, and fighting against vaccines. And there’s nothing in the Bible about abortion anyway.

Carole's avatar

They are pro birth! ( unless it’s their unwanted pregnancy in their female relatives) sickening

David W. Sutton's avatar

Republicans will never be pro-choice--they are too busy being pro-school shooting, pro-greed, pro-racism, pro-death, pro-billionaire, pro-enriching Russia, pro-tearing down government buildings, pro-illegal wars, pro-illegal tariffs, pro-environmental destruction, pro-criming, pro-stockmarket manipulating, pro-murder, pro-scamming, pro-dementia, etc. . Bottom line: the complicit mainstream media cannot be trusted to inform the people.

Gary Daniels's avatar

Wait a minute. Josh Hawley's wife has a role with ADF? Can you say "Conflict of interest"?

Ann's avatar

In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade. I was 17. I thought, In my ignorance, why would someone need the right to kill their baby. My 85 year old great aunt moved in with us. She told me of the relatives who bled out at home. They did not have the money for another child. The dead new borns her father father found under trees at the local college when he worked as grounds keeper. Just like trump, people break the law. If your body will not release a miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, septic uterus treatments are called abortions. Without these treatments, women will die. However, if you are a billionaire or one of the freaks voting against Roe vs Wade, no worries. Your, wife, daughters and granddaughters will be well taken care of.

Douglas Gilligan's avatar

This is clever in that they are not talking about abortion, just the prescribing and distribution of a specific medicine. You would have to call them out on their clear intent to change the narrative.

Even a clever argument proving the constitutional right to an abortion would not change this, deliberately making early abortions more dangerous than they need to be.

And yes, I do have a clever constitutional argument, MUCH stronger than the 'right to privacy with a doctor in regards to medical care', which was always going to be weak and totally escapes the core concept of "My body, My choice". 13th Amendment is explicitly clear on this point, especially when you associate providing Life Support to the fetus, and going through Labor to deliver, not to mention all the other damages done along the way during and after pregnancy.

Laws forbidding Abortion are basically forcing the woman to be in 'forced servitude' to the fetus.

Read the 13th again.

Douglas Gilligan's avatar

The result of defacto banning Mifepristone will be news they cannot hide.

I keep saying, it has to get worse before it can get better, in order to let people realize and accept major changes that will be needed in order to fix a system people know in their gut is broken.

I keep saying, Trump (and his minions) are still working hard on making him and his fellow Republicans increasingly unpopular, shifting the needle in more races, even senate races.

Those supporting the ban will be assured they have won, so no more need to fight. The vast majority, as has been shown in state amendment elections, oppose outright bans on abortions, which this basically tries to be.

In fact, the 'tele-health' specifically hits rural people the hardest and I suspect could extend beyond just Mifepristone.

David's avatar

They will come for guns one day as well

BSmith's avatar

Thank God for all those, such as Sen. Josh Hawley, who are trying to save babies from being tortured to death in the womb. No one deserves such a horrible fate.